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- Witness Interview: Victoria
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Ms. Symons was interviewed by Federal agent Stremcha at
the Las Vegas Police Department on Saturday, Oct. 18.
F = Federal agent Stremcha S= Victoria Symons
F: Okay. Now let's talk about your trip. Can you tell me
where, exactly, you went?
S: I don't know, for sure. It's like we were trying to keep
from going anywhere. If we went anywhere, if we made it look
like we were heading anywhere, someone might get us. We
couldn't stay anywhere real long.
F: Can you at least tell me the states you went through?
S: OK. I mean, we spent a couple of days just in
Mississippi, on all these back roads. Then we went down into
Louisiana, that's where we left Tony. We went to New
Orleans, we were there for a couple of nights, but like in
different places, different motels, you know? After that we
pretty much crossed into Texas, we spent a long time there,
we went all over the place, things were getting real bad and
we were thinking of just going to Mexico. But then Ed knew
some people in Las Cruces so we went to New Mexico and then
straight through to Vegas. We didn't stop at all on the way,
just straight through, something like eight hours.
F: Can you try to give me some dates?
S: Dates? No. I never knew what day it was, it was like it
didn't matter any more, I only knew it was Sunday cause
sometimes in small towns everything would be shut down. I
guess maybe by the end of the first week we were getting to
New Orleans and we stayed there a couple of days and by the
end of the second week we were in Texas, and we probably
spent a week just there, and then we went to New Mexico and
then we came here about 12 days ago, we were in a motel for
a couple of days, then Ed said he knew about this trailer we
F: You said things were getting bad in Texas. What happened?
S: In Texas, yeah, things were bad. (pause) To be honest,
things were getting worse for a long time, it was, I don't
know, it was just real hard. Everything started out OK. I
mean, when I first got in the car and saw Tony in the back I
sort of thought, "uh oh," but it was okay for the first
couple of days. We had fun just kind of driving around and
keeping out of sight, Tony was good at stealing stuff and we
could send him into stores cause he didn't really stand out.
We spent a couple of nights just sleeping outside in fields
and got high together and had a good time. Even when Tony
started getting real sick it was okay, we talked about it
and decided to leave him and in a couple of days he could go
get help. He didn't really want to get caught but he wasn't
feeling real good and he didn't think he was the one the
cops were after anyway. Maybe he was too sick to argue, but
anyway, we left him like we planned with lots of food and
everything and I don't know what happened after that but the
next thing we hear is he's dead. I felt real bad but Ed
didn't seem to care, we were in New Orleans by then and he
was acting real weird.
F: What happened in New Orleans?
S: He had some friends there, drug friends, I guess, and
they spent a lot of time hanging out together and planning
stuff, he would just leave me alone and they would go out.
And, I don't know, we were running out of money, and he
began saying things, like I should get us some, and he was
getting pretty mad about not being able to get a hold of
money, and I guess he took it out on me. His friends had all
this weird sex stuff and they gave him the whip and he told
me they said to break me in cause I wasn't cooperating, and
he said I was freeloading and using all his drugs and not
helping him. We had a real big fight and he didn't come back
all night. I thought for sure he was gone for good but then
he showed up and said we were good to go and we had to leave
right away. I don't know how, but he'd gotten a hold of a
lot of cash and some drugs, meth and a lot of pills. I asked
him about it but he just told me to shut up and said we had
to hit the road, we had to take the bus cause we'd left the
car. Then in Houston -
F: Hold on a minute. Did you ever meet Ed's friends in New
S: Yeah, just once. I don't know their last names, just Rick
F: Can you describe them?
S: Not really, it was kind of dark in the room, I guess one
was tall and one was short . . . I was kind of drunk, I
guess I started drinking pretty much all the time when I
heard about Tony, I don't know, it was like the stress was
getting to me.
F: They didn't come with you?
F: And you went straight to Houston from New Orleans?
S: No. We made some stops, changed around with the buses, we
even walked for a while, but I don't really remember. I
think maybe we were in Shreveport for like half a day. He
was being real mean to me the whole time and I was just
drinking and pretty doped up the whole time.
F: Okay. So what about Houston?
S: Things got real bad. We went to eat at some diner and
then he told me to go back to the motel and wait, he said he
was going to get us some money so we could get a car, and
then he came back at like one in the morning with this
blonde. I could tell she was real rich, so I was thinking
maybe he wanted me to help steal her car or something, but
he said this lady was going to show me how to behave. It was
F: Go on.
S: I kind of lit into him, yelling what the [expletive
deleted] did he think he was doing, and he just picked me up
and threw me on the bed, he must have been cranked up or
something cause he's not usually that strong. He tied me to
the bed and cut off all my clothes with his big knife, and
then he hands this blonde [expletive deleted] the whip and
she went at me for like fifteen minutes, whipping me up and
F: Did you call for help?
S: I thought about it, but I was too mad for that. I just
looked at him the whole time and kept my mouth shut, and I
just told myself I would get back at him later. It was only
like fifteen minutes, but then she took off her clothes and
he [expletive deleted] her right on top of me, I mean she
was really lying on top of me and he was on her, and it hurt
like hell from all that weight, I was bleeding in some
places and they were lying on top of me. Then he made a show
of giving her a hundred dollars and he told me to pay
attention and they both left. He came back around five, I
was pretty tired out just from being tied up for so long and
everything hurt, he untied me and I just didn't feel like
fighting, he didn't say anything and we got in the car and
left town. I thought about it real hard, I'll admit that,
cause if I could get 100 dollars we wouldn't have to worry
about money at all, but I just couldn't see myself doing it.
I mean, it's not like I've had a one and only, I mean I go
with a lot of guys, but it's all about fun, we're always
just fooling around and having fun and getting high. This
was different and I didn't want to be part of it. We fought
about it a lot, but he could never get me to do it, and I
did other stuff, like you know stealing stuff from stores,
so I think that's why he didn't force me. When he was
cranked up and worried about money that he would start in on
it again, it was never as bad as Houston, and after that we
got a car again so things were better. He would sometimes
stay out all night and I guess he was with other girls, but
I didn't care about that, I just wanted us to get to
F: She didn't come with you?
F: What about other girls? Did any of them come with you?
F: Macy Lamar wasn't with you?
S: Look, I said no, okay? Sorry, I know it would make your
job a whole lot easier, but we never had her, no matter how
many times you ask.
F: You mentioned Ed had friends in Las Cruces.
S: Yeah, or I guess they were friends of Rick and Jose, from
New Orleans? Acquaintances. We stopped there for a day or
two. It was actually kind of nice, it was just a nonstop
party and we got along okay like before the trip began, we
all went out in the desert and looked at the stars and
talked about being on the beach in California, one of the
guys had been to California and he was telling Ed where to
go in LA to score. We slept a lot and I got a little
straighter, I was really strung out before, and he didn't
hit me at all.
F: What were their names?
S: Rita and Tom, I think their last name was Carson.
F: Why did you decide to go to Las Vegas?
S: I don't really know, to be honest. We got a little money
from Las Cruces but we were still running real low, but I
thought we could make it to LA all right if we didn't stop.
Suddenly he just said we were going to take a detour and we
turned onto 17, I remember that, and headed north. He said
he wanted to get us some serious money. We fought about it
and he hit me and said he'd leave me right in the middle of
nowhere if I didn't shut up and began talking all this weird
[expletive deleted] about being eaten alive by ants and
birds and threatening to cut me into pieces with his knife,
so I just shut up, I didn't really care even though it was a
stupid thing to do. When we got here it wasn't too bad, we
actually decided to stay for a few days and we got the
trailer, we would go out to the casinos and Ed was pretty
good at getting us money. He found out about drugs and we
had a good stash going, I was even thinking of trying out to
be a showgirl, but he said it was too high profile. We
fought a lot and he was cranked up pretty much all the time
and telling me to get out there and work the Strip like the
other hookers. But we were eating and I could get caught up
on my sleep so I didn't really mind, I was pretty much used
to it. It just hardly even phased me any more.
F: Do you regret what you've done?
S: We sure aren't in love, but I don't think we really were
to begin with, you know? He's a mean bastard, but that's
just the way it goes, I guess he's got his dues now. It was
wild, that's for sure. I guess maybe I regret I couldn't
take it. Maybe we would've been caught anyhow, but I wonder
what would've happened if I hadn't called you all. Maybe we
could've made it to Hollywood. I guess I'll never see it
F: All right, Miss Symons. Thank you.
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